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Probably the best argument for me to give up on the term Zionism, and give up on arguing with everyone about how they have absconded with, hijacked, distorted, or otherwise misused this term.

And yet...

I never said that Zionism had anything to do with the State. I believe this is the fundamental error in everyone's argument, both pro- and anti-Zionism.

The Holy One, Blessed Be He, never promised us any kind of entity, only the Land itself. He commanded us how we should rule over it, and how to treat it, and how to defend it.

A kingdom? Nope. That came later, and theoretically fit in with His commandments. So far, the State has not. Like it or not, it happens to be a propped up vehicle to progress Zionism, one of the distorted definitions of Zionism.

Simply put, the definition of Zionism is Divine Promise of the Land of Israel to the People of Israel, on the condition that we behave, treat, and defend the Land in the manners which the Holy One, Blessed Be He commands us to.

The only legitimate source for this concept is the Torah. Along with the remainder of Tana"kh, it documents countless times this commitment has been made to us, and how we have done with our end of the contract covenant.

So, I still do not understand why you, Dean, do not see how you fit into this understanding of Zionism, and how everyone else (besides me <wink>) should be ignored.

Now, if you want to say that you are simple Torah observant, then I get it. The Rambam is famous for not even counting the settling of the Land as one of the 613 explicitly written commandments. Most use this as "evidence" against the existence of such a commandment, others teach us to see the Rambam's legal work as a whole. The lekhathilah (ideal) situation for Jews to be in is with sovereignty over the Land of Israel, a Temple, and a Sanhedrin, and a King. Anything less that this is not the way the Jewish People are supposed to be living.

When the Rambam writes, he writes from this perspective, and then mentions how the commandments are manifested, since we are in a less than ideal situation, almost like an afterthought. And so, other authorities would say that he not have to mention the commandment to reside in the Land of Israel explicitly, since it is a given, lekhathillah, that the Jewish People residing in the Land is how the world is supposed to be.

And so, Zionism really cannot be isolated from the Torah.

Now, I would generally say that we should not prop up one mitzvah over another -- and I do not -- without any halakhic source to do so, such as saving a life taking precedence over Shabboth. Yet saving a life does not take precedence over the prohibitions against foreign worship, forbidden relations, and murder. Such formulas are in place, as part and parcel of Torah observance.

I am simply mentioning a particular Torah observance which is an integral part of the lives of the Jewish People, just like I would mention kashruth, Shabboth, and family purity.

"Zionism," the correct definition of Zionism, is shorter than "the proper place on earth where Jews must reside, is their only true homeland, which is Israel."

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Rachel A Listener's avatar

I like this. For some reason—

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