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Ben's avatar

Do you believe that the current state will have nothing to do with moshiach, or can it be replace with Israel 2.0

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Dean Maughvet's avatar

What is "Israel 2.0"?

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Basileus's avatar

What does it mean to abolish the state of Israel? Abolish the government? Or the country? Wouldn’t that give control of the land to the Arabs? I can understand getting rid of democracy, but not all state entities in General. A leadership class will be replaced by another leadership class, not merely nothing or a foreign occupier.

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Dean Maughvet's avatar

Like the French Revolution abolished its monarchy, and the American Revolution tossed out the British regime, and the Russian Revolution booted out the Tzarists, the Jews will destroy the zionist ancien regime and replace it with a Davidic kingship that places the Arab enemy in a furnace.

New leadership based on biblical precepts.

Geulah.

Kiddush Hashem.

Messianic peace.

And so forth...

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Basileus's avatar

I like the way you used the example of the liberal revolutions as an outline for a conservative one. I definitely believe the groundwork is being laid. I would think of it more like the coup of 18 brumaire. The government was incompetent and unpopular, so Napoleon marched in, beat up the corrupt politicians and installed a popular, expansionist and popular government. It was also no longer a chaotic democracy mess, instead the government and nation now revolved around the napoleon in the entirety. This allowed one man’s vision and his virtues to unify the country and it is why Napoleon singlehandedly dominated Europe for 15 years. Israel could do the same with a unified societal mission and vision and a leader to carry out that vision

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Dean Maughvet's avatar

Unified societal mission: Torah and Kiddush Hashem.

Leader: Ben David.

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Joshua Shalet's avatar

Discussing the solution in public is illegal. I almost got arrested by voicing my opinion on a public forum. I was let off with a warning because I explained that I was angry and I made a mistake. I don't even remember what I wrote.

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Dean Maughvet's avatar

Thank you very kindly, sir, but we're not offering any solutions.

Just reporting on what we see in the blogosphere.

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Joshua Shalet's avatar

People only call me sir when it's followed by "you are making a scene."

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Dean Maughvet's avatar

That's awesome.

Might I have his lordship’s permission to use it?

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Joshua Shalet's avatar

Thou surely mayest! Also feel free to use "Ye Lorde ist pissest offeth." Perfectly in line with ye olde English grammar. Laughs guaranteed or your money back.

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Ken Price, Ph.D.'s avatar

Sorry, but I would translate better כיבוש as conquer and גירוש as expel. Your התישבות is fine.

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Dean Maughvet's avatar

Thanks, brother.

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